Mark Townsend in a youtube video 

" religion comes along and tells us there's this ladder we need to climb up to this god who lives up there on a cloud . . .I dont think you climb up a ladder to God . . . . when you climb that ladder to God you are ironically climbing away from God . . . when you fall off the ladder . . . you break open and get knocked about . . . thats the place you meet God. . .