Thursday 14 May 2009

jung

"At the same time, from the point of view of psychological experience or subjectivity, jung felt there was no way to distinguish between the experience of God and the experience of the unconscious. From the perspective of the subjective experience itself, the use of the term God becomes synonymous with the use of the term unconscious." . . . . . .

Theology in his mind understood neither epistemology nor experience. He had listened to the theological discussions of his uncles and experienced the problems of his father, and felt that their belief was as blind as that of the materialists: "I felt more certain than ever that both lacked epistemological criticism as well as experience... The arch sin of faith, it seemed to me, was that it forestalled experience." . . . . .

"Analytical psychology lays itself open to the charge of creating a religion to the degree it finds insuperable, universal, epistemological barriers which deprive religion of any distinctive and genuine kind of knowing; if the possibility of knowing the religious object is denied, then what is left to religion is the religious function, and therefore Jung's psychology can function as a religion just as well as anything else.
Christian theology cannot admit the validity of this approach without suffering the loss of its own distinctive nature and method."


I just want to remind myself of my golden (but unwritten) rule:
knowledge, not for knowledge's sake, but as a means to an end,
or rather, as a means of escape from entrapment. . .
so that I am free to continue my journey . . . .
(?)

the article goes on to discuss jung's relationship with fr victor white. . . .

"Jung is afraid that if evil is looked upon as non-being, "nobody will take his own shadow seriously... The future of mankind very much depends upon the recognition of the shadow. Evil is - psychologically speaking - terribly real. It is a fatal mistake to diminish its power and reality even merely metaphysically. I am sorry, this goes to the very roots of Christianity." . . . .

doesnt he mean the very roots of humanity rather?

"The theologians, in Jung's mind, mistake their concepts for real things, while Jung feels he rightly limits himself to the Imago Dei: "My thinking is substantive, but theological-metaphysical thinking is in constant danger ... of operating with substanceless words and imagining that the reality corresponding to them is then seated in Heaven."

I am thinking suddenly here of the start of the document written by the second vatican council in the 60's which comes so close to recognising this.
doctrine as models of a reality: approximations rather than limpid truth.
not the truth but signposts leading towards rather than away . . . .

"Analytical psychology unfortunately just touches the vulnerable spot of the church, viz. the untenable concretism of its beliefs, and the syllogistic character of Thomistic philosophy. This is of course a terrific snag, but - one could almost say - fortunately people are unaware of the clashing contrasts. Father White, however, is by no means unconscious of those clashes; it is a very serious personal problem to him."

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